Listen to Rev. McElroy, Pastor of First Christian Church, on “Art Ladders: The Creative Climb” in this special podcast on art and spirituality. Follow Pastor Jolin’s journey in rethinking her calling as an artist and moving toward full-time Christian ministry. The hosts are husband and wife artist team Armin Mersmann and Valerie Allen who continue to make waves in the art world. Episode 38 was recorded in December 2022. Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.